Episode 147 is stay! This week, we speak with Dr. Shirley Raines in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
Dr. Raines is a speaker, creator, and advisor. She was the primary lady President of the College of Memphis, and efficiently served for 12 years. Dr. Raines started her profession as a preschool trainer earlier than turning into a Head Begin Director, a founding father of a group youngster middle, a trainer educator, a division chair, a dean, a vice-chancellor after which The College of Memphis President. Dr. Raines is the creator of 17 books on youngsters’s literature, literacy, creativity and curriculum improvement.
On immediately’s episode, Dr. Raines shares:
- Methods to succeed at our job search once we’re completely different than the competitors
- Methods to make main profession change, and reinvent your self
- Methods to tackle a job that covers abilities outdoors of your space of experience
- How dad and mom can greatest assist their grownup youngsters job search
- And, Dr. Raines solutions your listener questions!
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Copeland Teaching Podcast | Episode 147 | Profession Reinvention – Dr. Shirley Raines, College of Memphis
Airdate: October 17, 2017
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ANGELA COPELAND: Welcome to the Copeland Teaching podcast. I’m your host, Angela Copeland. On the cellphone with me immediately, I’ve Dr. Shirley Raines in Oakridge, Tennessee. Dr. Raines is a speaker, creator, and advisor. She was the primary lady president on the College of Memphis, the place she efficiently served for 12 years. Dr. Raines started her profession as a preschool trainer earlier than turning into a Head Begin director, a founding father of a group youngster middle, a trainer educator, a division chair, a dean, a vice chancellor, after which the College of Memphis President. Dr. Raines is the creator of 17 books on youngsters’s literature, literacy, creativity, and curriculum improvement. Shirley, thanks for becoming a member of me immediately.
SHIRLEY RAINES: I’m excited to hitch you and to know that I’m interacting and might be interacting with a few of your listeners via the questions they’ve submitted.
ANGELA COPELAND: Sure, as I discussed earlier than we bought began, persons are so enthusiastic about this interview immediately that I bought an amazing variety of questions. I’ve reduce it again to a few. On the finish, hopefully we’ll have an opportunity to cowl them, however everybody was so excited to listen to that we’d be chatting.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Nice.
ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, you already know, after I look again in your profession, it’s been so spectacular, and one of many themes that basically caught out for me was being the primary individual to do one thing, and it appeared such as you had been fairly often the primary individual, together with as I discussed the primary lady president on the College of Memphis. And I’m simply questioning if we’re job looking for and we really feel completely different, you already know, possibly we’re the one lady or possibly we’re completely different in another manner, what recommendation would you could have for us and the way can we succeed once we are completely different.
SHIRLEY RAINES: It’s actually vital to go forward and take a look at, declare your self as wanting that place, and make a match between what the place requires and what your data and {qualifications} are, after which go for it. If we proceed to attend for individuals to faucet us on the shoulder to take a place, then we could also be ready for a very long time. I had that have. I used to be a division chair in three completely different universities, however I didn’t apply to be a division chair. I waited till somebody stated, why don’t you do this? However ultimately once you desire a job, it’s important to say, sure I need that job, and we as ladies typically wait for somebody to say you’d be good at that. However it’s important to take a look at your self and say, would I be good at that?
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh that’s fascinating. What made you form of change your personal thought course of between once you had been form of ready to be tapped and once you determined to form of faucet your self, so to talk.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I didn’t understand at first that I used to be ready to be tapped. It was solely after two experiences, one the place I used to be the youngest school member and I used to be requested to chair a division, and the opposite after I was requested to chair a division that was enterprise a really completely different reorganization that concerned a number of [[INAUDIBLE]]. So I started to say, what’s it about myself that they suppose I may do a great job? And albeit, within the first occasion, it was as a result of all people else had turned them down.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh no!
SHIRLEY RAINES: So typically it’s taking that tough job that it looks like no person else desires, however you could have one thing particular. Both individuals belief your otherwise you’re a great communicator, however they’ve discovered one thing about you that claims you could possibly be good at this. So after I’d been a division chair twice, I finally stated, you already know, possibly I’ll apply for the following job, and that’s what occurred. So take a look at what you already know, what you need to do, however be prepared to declare your self.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s nice. So is that the principle manner that you just declared your self, by simply making use of for the job and placing your hat within the ring?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Sure. After two instances of being tapped for the place, then the third time, at one other location with a way more formidable set of tasks, I made a decision to declare myself.
ANGELA COPELAND: I like that. It’s so simple. It doesn’t sound prefer it was that sophisticated, but it surely was extra simply recognizing in your self what you wished to do.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I feel it’s complicating once you take a look at turning into self-aware. That’s the sophisticated half. Then as soon as you’re self-aware of your expertise, your abilities, what you deliver together with your background, then it’s important to declare your self. However some self-analysis goes alongside manner, and that’s why a great profession coach may very well be an awesome asset.
ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, that’s a extremely good level, and as we form of discuss your profession background, one other theme that basically popped out for me was main profession change. I imply, even within the introduction, I discussed the variety of several types of roles you had as you form of reinvented your self again and again, and I’m curious what you discovered from your personal profession reinvention that you just really feel is useful for job seekers who want to reinvent themselves.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, one of many first issues you might discover fascinating is that I needed to reinvent myself as a result of I wanted to make more cash. I used to be divorced and had a younger son, and a preschool trainer’s wage was not going to get us what we would have liked as a household, for the 2 of us. So I seemed for a place in the identical area that paid more cash. And I feel there are lots of people on the market who’re like that. They could love their current job, and I cherished each job I did, however they want more cash, and so it’s important to take a look at what’s the subsequent step up, and what does it require. Now that wasn’t the case for all of the steps. I used to be remarried and really fortunately remarried and supported in my profession by my husband. It was not true at that time, however among the earlier modifications had been made as a result of frankly I wanted to make more cash. Many individuals in schooling do, and different careers as nicely.
ANGELA COPELAND: I do suppose that basically drives plenty of our need for change, you already know, if we’ve discovered ourselves in an uncomfortable scenario.
SHIRLEY RAINES: I feel the opposite half that’s concerned in profession reinvention is solely a thirst to know extra and be taught extra. That thirst to be taught extra after I grew to become a Head Begin director, it was to be taught extra about youngster development and improvement and to be taught extra concerning the power of people that come from poor backgrounds and to assist lecturers to grasp and never [[INAUDIBLE]] their youngsters simply because they’re poor. However there are typically motivating elements that you just simply need to be taught extra, know extra, after which when you already know extra, typically the factor one has to appreciate is, to be able to do extra with what you’ve discovered, you want a unique place, and in order that grew to become a driver for me. However I’ve to say, my profession, I by no means imagined turning into a college president or a Head Begin director or a teacher-educator. I feel my life unfolded, and many individuals’s do, and it developed over time, my thirst to know extra, my need to do extra was a pure evolution of being somebody who was a learner but additionally simply attempting to grab alternatives that got here alongside. So I need to say I used to be not a long-term planner, aside from a couple of instances, after I determined to do a doctorate, after I determined to maneuver to completely different components of the nation to pursue my objectives, however had they not labored out, I might have been content material the place I used to be as a result of every place—I’m very lucky—every place was very significant in my life.
ANGELA COPELAND: I feel you make a extremely good level. You already know, I converse with job seekers fairly often who really feel discouraged as a result of they appear round them they usually assume that their mates have a grand profession plan that’s been deliberate from the start they usually really feel like they’re the one ones that issues are simply form of evolving for over time, however I don’t suppose it’s that uncommon really. I feel once you look again, it makes excellent sense to me how a profession may have developed. However we don’t all the time know at first what the tip will seem like, I suppose.
SHIRLEY RAINES: No. No. And I feel there are some individuals who know at a really early age. Perhaps they pursue a medical diploma, or no matter. However even with these individuals, there’s an enormous size of time of their schooling, they might not know that they’re going to evolve from personal follow to hospitals to managing a well being care system. There are evolutions that occur that appear proper for us on the time till we’re what we’ve discovered and admittedly what society has to supply for us.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s so true, as a result of timing and society, form of what’s obtainable at that given second in historical past makes such an enormous distinction too.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. Don’t anticipate the proper job. Take one and do it extraordinarily nicely, as a result of that’s what opens the door to the following one.
ANGELA COPELAND: Completely. And also you additionally talked about form of lifelong studying and I feel listening to the place you could have that curiosity and the place you have an interest to be taught extra. I feel that’s actually useful as nicely.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Sure. Completely.
ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, in order I used to be form of reviewing your historical past in additional element, I spotted, and it’s apparent I suppose, however once you had been a college president, your tasks had been gigantic. I imply, it encompassed issues like finance, advertising, communications, scholar affairs, I imply, all these completely different departments—
SHIRLEY RAINES: Tutorial affairs, athletics, buildings, amenities, sure, all these issues.
ANGELA COPELAND: Proper, proper, and after I speak to job seekers, one of many issues that always scares them from making use of to a job is they are saying, I don’t find out about this explicit a part of the job. And I’ve to suppose that once you began as college president, you might not have had expertise in all of these areas.
SHIRLEY RAINES: No, I didn’t. What I did have was I had seen different individuals who had performed that job. I used to be shut sufficient to the president of the College of Kentucky and the vice chancellor there that I had seen them work in these areas, and so I knew what the tasks had been. However I additionally knew that there have been gaps in what I wanted to be taught, but additionally that nobody is aware of the whole lot about these very all-encompassing jobs, and also you depend upon the individuals you appoint as vice presidents or administrators to have the depth of information that you could be lack. Nonetheless you do must know one thing about all of the areas so that you just’re not completely naive in these numerous areas. As an illustration, I inform the story on this e book that I’m writing about my management alongside my profession path, and it was, what do individuals suppose you received’t know one thing about? As an illustration, individuals would typically ask me, the girl within the search about, did I do know something about athletics? Effectively, I used to be married to an athlete and I previously had been married to an athlete and I had been very concerned in athletics all my life, however they assume should you’re a girl you don’t find out about athletics. So I may be taught extra and to persuade them that I knew extra. And the opposite factor that they ask you about rather a lot was finance and enterprise. Effectively, I had grown up on a farm the place all people’s finances means the whole lot, and directed applications, federal applications, and began an unbiased childcare middle, and whereas the finance and enterprise operations develop bigger with each job change, the fact is you already know the fundamentals, however I made a decision to steep myself within the college’s finances and truly through the interview course of requested a replica of the college finances, and I used to be the one one who did. And one of many issues that helped me there was, by learning the finances, I may see the college’s priorities and sources of funding and take a look at it from quite a lot of methods, and I bought assist from the College of Kentucky by asking them some questions that associated to budgets. So it’s important to determine two issues: one, what you actually don’t know something about, and two, what you suppose individuals might be apprehensive that you just don’t know sufficient about, and discover out extra data, what the priorities are, what the eye is, the attentional issues which are wanted to be solved at that time limit in that individual space.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, I actually like that. I feel you make such a great level about what do different individuals fear about you, as a result of you already know, once you’re getting employed it’s very a lot about perceptions. And so that you’re form of addressing that notion. And I feel these worries come up much more once you’re the one who is completely different. So it’s very good. It’s a extremely, actually good technique. Effectively so, if we’re job looking, and we’re jobs that possibly stretch our talent set or possibly are outdoors of our consolation zone, what recommendation would you could have for us by way of find out how to pursue these alternatives? Like, ought to we apply to one thing if we don’t meet each requirement? Primarily based in your expertise, what would you suggest?
SHIRLEY RAINES: I feel you do apply should you meet many of the necessities and should you can present in your paperwork or in your interview that you just’re gaining expertise within the different space or areas, in order that clearly you’re going to be evaluated on whether or not you’re a match or not, so that you’ll get pluses all alongside the best way since you’re a great match, however in an space that could be essential within the job that you just don’t know, you could assist them perceive the way you’re studying that space, and that can normally fulfill individuals. They’re concerned with somebody who can do the job and develop with the job. Nobody goes to have the whole lot in excellent order. All jobs as of late are multidimensional. In order that’s my greatest recommendation, no less than.
ANGELA COPELAND: I completely agree. I actually suppose it’s higher to use and provides it our greatest shot, particularly if we expect we will most likely do the job, then to not even put our hat within the ring, so to talk. Effectively so, on a form of a unique word, I’ve observed a pattern these days that I’m guessing that you’ll have seen earlier than a bit bit, and that’s, I’ve had plenty of dad and mom reaching out to me and need to assist their youngster to get an interview for a job and desires to actually be concerned within the youngster’s job search, and the kid could also be 25 or 35, in order that they’re possibly not a lot a toddler anymore, and I do know that they need to assist, and I’m simply curious, out of your view, how can dad and mom assist their grownup youngsters to develop into the profitable person who they need them to be with out going possibly too far, I suppose.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I actually did have that very same dilemma, as individuals wished me to encourage their youngsters to enter this or that area or to use for legislation faculty or no matter, and I might all the time say to them as dad and mom, have your youngster name me and let’s speak, however I might not give the dad and mom recommendation. So I might say to oldsters, it’s okay so that you can attain out to somebody, however again off shortly, and let the kid or the younger grownup take the initiative, as a result of one of many issues we all know is that if individuals aren’t prepared to take the initiative, they’re most likely not going to achieve success in that diploma or profession. So these dad and mom can encourage and in the event that they’re decided to achieve out to a profession coach or a college professor, that’s nice, however instantly count on that the profession coach, the college professor or administrator goes to go proper again and say, have your youngster name me.
ANGELA COPELAND: I completely agree. I really had two dad and mom attain out to me final week and I had a really related response to every one, the place I stated, “Hey, have your youngster contact me. I’d love to talk with them.” And one father or mother immeidately despatched an introduction between me and their youngster, and it was very constructive, and the opposite father or mother was really very offended, and stated, we select to not speak to you as a result of I would be the one footing the invoice and I’m not . I perceive that, however on the similar time, the entire purpose, proper, is for the kid to be self-sufficient.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper.
ANGELA COPELAND: And should you do the whole lot for them, I don’t suppose they develop their very own sense of what they need to do.
SHIRLEY RAINES: That’s completely proper, and I feel there are methods within the background for folks to assist, to present your identify to them, to say right here’s what I’ve discovered about attainable jobs within the space, what can I do that can assist you get your supplies collectively, not do it for them, however help in getting them collectively, and if they’ve expertise themselves in these areas, to say, right here’s what I feel persons are in search of immediately. These are simply good father or mother recommendation, however initiative-taking is admittedly the younger grownup’s, it’s actually their accountability and it exhibits much more about whether or not they are going to be profitable or not.
ANGELA COPELAND: Yeah, I completely agree, and I form of surprise if it is a new phenomenon as a result of I don’t bear in mind this from 20 years in the past or so.
SHIRLEY RAINES: I feel it’s.
ANGELA COPELAND: Okay. I used to be curious, as a result of I don’t bear in mind after I was popping out of faculty that my dad and mom weren’t looking for a job for me or my pal’s dad and mom weren’t doing that both, so I feel it’s possibly a brand new factor. Effectively, by way of form of steps in our profession, the following step that plenty of completely different individuals I converse with pursue is that they need to pursue a sophisticated diploma, so one thing like an MBA, they usually come they usually have plenty of questions on, you already know, which faculty they need to choose, which program they need to choose, and I feel that they typically initially really feel that, for instance, each MBA is identical, and once you speak to somebody who’s contemplating going to graduate faculty to pursue a further diploma, what recommendation do you could have for them by way of choosing the right faculty or choosing the right program?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively you already know I’m going to say go to the College of Memphis.
ANGELA COPELAND: Proper. In fact!
SHIRLEY RAINES: However I feel what they should take into account is the MBA differs, whether it is an MBA, differs in several faculties and there are completely different alternatives inside these levels. And so one is to be sure you look on the web site and likewise speak with different people who find themselves in that program, significantly if it’s an area program. Discuss to different individuals to make sure that there’s a good match between what the chances are. And counselors, graduate counselors, graduate professors, love to speak with individuals who could also be concerned with their diploma, so make an appointment with somebody and speak with them concerning the diploma and perceive what you’d be moving into. The opposite is should you’re planning to switch and go some other place, or your partner has moved some other place and also you need to pursue a program, I might have the same method in that I might discover out as a lot as attainable on-line, however then I might get the non-public contact, not simply on the cellphone, however asking for an appointment to see a counselor and, if attainable, even in a brand new group, discover somebody who’s learning in that program and get the within view.
ANGELA COPELAND: I feel that’s an awesome level, and, you already know, the factor that you just talked about about having conferences with the professors, I feel that’s a brand new one. Even after I was making use of to high school, I used to be simply starting to appreciate that that was even an choice, as a result of once you’re an outsider to the varsity, it feels I feel a bit bit such as you can be imposing on the professors or that they wouldn’t have time to fulfill with you.
SHIRLEY RAINES: They’re very wanting to get new graduate college students and to get the very best graduate college students, so for them it’s a chance.
ANGELA COPELAND: So would you suggest, like, if we had been to arrange a gathering with professor, that we simply form of like search on-line for his or her electronic mail deal with and electronic mail them, or what’s form of one of the best ways to do it?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I will surely do this, however what I might need you to do is do your personal background work first, assessment the web site, take a look at the necessities, so that you just include very particular questions you need to ask, and the opposite factor you could know is very often, professors will invite you to sit down in on certainly one of their courses, in order that’s one other alternative, particularly for graduate faculty.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s fascinating. That’s very fascinating. I don’t suppose I did that after I utilized. I’m positive it might be very useful, although. I imply, graduate faculty is such an enormous dedication each financially and time-wise. You undoubtedly need to analysis the applications. Effectively, as we talked about at first, I solicited listener questions, and like I stated, I bought too many to ask, however I’ve narrowed it down right here. The very first one is, what’s your perspective on feminine management in greater schooling, and is the hole widening or closing?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, the hole is closing. There are a lot of extra feminine directors in greater schooling beginning on the group school stage, and not too long ago there have been extra ladies appointed in four-year graduate universities. I really feel privileged to have been the primary lady president on the College of Memphis, however now at the same time as you’re employed at Memphis, you see a girl president at Rhodes, a girl president at [[INAUDIBLE]], and a girl president at Southwest Neighborhood Faculty. So the hole is closing. Alternatives are rising as a result of as ladies are profitable leaders then it paves the best way for different ladies to comply with.
ANGELA COPELAND: That’s a extremely good level, and that’s nice information.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. One of many disappointments is, there are fewer ladies school members than there are male school members.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh actually.
SHIRLEY RAINES: However as that modifications as nicely, there might be extra of a pool of girls to select from who’ve greater schooling expertise.
ANGELA COPELAND: That’s true. That’s an excellent level. I suppose the modifications, it simply takes time.
SHIRLEY RAINES: It takes time, however I simply suppose ladies needs to be very inspired that the demand and issues of provide of upper schooling and better schooling funding are advanced, and I feel that persons are in search of good leaders no matter whether or not they’re male or feminine, and I’m simply actually thrilled to see what’s occurred in Memphis.
ANGELA COPELAND: Sure. Completely. Completely. Effectively so the following listener query comes from a girl named March, and she or he says, I used to be so impressed along with her partnership that she fashioned between the College of Memphis and the small group faculties. This program is a win-win for everybody. And I simply wished to ask why you suppose the sort of partnership is so necessary between the College of Memphis and the small group faculties?
SHIRLEY RAINES: The College of Memphis and group faculties had been in the identical system, the Tennessee Board of Regents system at the moment. They had been collectively, and it simply made sense to me that if individuals had been going to begin their educational careers on the group school stage, they wanted to make certain that the entire credit that they had been incomes on the group school stage had been accepted on the College of Memphis, and this really, we began this in Memphis, but it surely additionally later was a program that the Tennessee Board of Regents adopted to go statewide, and ultimately after TBR had been profitable, the College of Tennessee did the identical factor. So Tennessee as a state was forward of its time, however we knew that there have been lots of people at Southwest Tennessee Neighborhood Faculty who may very well be good college students on the College of Memphis, and we had been all the time in search of the place we may discover good college students. And we additionally had plenty of college students from Jackson State Neighborhood Faculty and truly Dyersburg State as nicely. However after all being in Memphis, Southwest was vital for us. So it was to discover a good pool of scholars but it surely’s additionally to present good alternative and to verify their schooling {dollars} and credit labored greatest for them.
ANGELA COPELAND: That’s nice. That’s such a great level, and I really after I was in highschool took a couple of group school courses, and I bear in mind speaking about that, whether or not or not they might switch, as a result of it’s simply so necessary once you spend the cash to take the category to know that it’ll in the end have the ability to go to your last diploma.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. And we inspired individuals to take school courses in highschool, and people alternatives have broadened really as nicely.
ANGELA COPELAND: Completely. So one other listener wrote in named David, and he stated, I’m to be taught extra about her perspective on the normal campus versus on-line schooling and the way she sees the expansion, accessibility, and employer acceptance of the latter, significantly associated to working adults. So I feel David is simply asking to check on-line versus conventional schooling, and whether or not firms are prepared to simply accept on-line schooling or not.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively let me discuss conventional and on-line, and relatively than it being conventional campus versus on-line, what we discovered was that lots of our conventional campus college students who lived on campus or commuted to campus, typically additionally took programs on-line, as a result of they discovered what was most handy for them, or was one thing they felt snug in taking on-line. So it was not versus one or the opposite. Usually it was that they had been doing each. And since College of Memphis has been doing on-line schooling for years, even doing partnerships with individuals on completely different continents, it was one thing that’s increasing and I imagine will proceed to develop. I personally do nicely with some conventional on campus programs as a result of I like seeing individuals’s faces, having the interactions with them earlier than and after class and so forth, however now, with improved media, these obstacles appear to not be as a lot of an issue as they as soon as had been. So I imagine that the acceptance of on-line schooling now grows. I do suppose it nonetheless issues what the fame of the college that’s delivering the net schooling is, and so its acceptability by employers is commonly associated to the place that credit score comes from. So we all know that to be true. So I might say to David and to others who’re, I feel that on-line schooling will proceed to develop, I feel accessibility will proceed to occur, I feel employer acceptance is dependent upon the establishment awarding the credit score, and I imagine working adults ought to pursue on-line schooling, and I like the thought frankly of, even should you’re doing on-line schooling, if yow will discover others in your personal group who’re doing that very same on-line course and get collectively, that has some benefit as nicely.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh I completely agree, and I feel it goes again to that concept of steady studying and by no means planning to only cease rising your data. That’s such wonderful recommendation. Effectively, thanks. And I simply wished to ask you, what’s subsequent for you? You talked about that you just’re writing a e book. What’s occurring in your profession?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I’m talking across the nation. My background academically, you already know, is in early childhood schooling, so I proceed to talk on that subject, principally with people who find themselves administrators and leaders of their applications, and so that’s the place my management coaching is available in. After which I’m doing a little work with greater schooling establishments the place I’ll run on schedule for subsequent month to facilitate a retreat among the many highest ranges of the directors on campus and we discuss what they need to obtain and I’m the facilitator for his or her assembly. After which I do some talking to ladies’s teams simply on creating their management qualities and skills. So I’ve a video that’s within the archives in [[INAUDIBLE]], which is a really distinguished management improvement group, and it’s on ladies in management roles. So I’m writing, however I’m persevering with to seek the advice of and do coaching. My e book is “From Preschool Instructor to College President: Management Classes.”
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s wonderful.
SHIRLEY RAINES: So I’m hoping that your listeners and others will need the e book as soon as I get it collectively. My issue is I’ve plenty of e book and I must edit it down. In order that’s my stage at this level. However I inform plenty of good Memphis tales.
ANGELA COPELAND: Wonderful. Effectively you could have a lot good experience and expertise, and I can’t wait to see the e book, and I do know everybody is admittedly appreciating all this nice recommendation immediately. The place can we go to be taught extra about you and the work that you just’re doing?
SHIRLEY RAINES: Go to shirleyraines.com, which is my web site, and also you’ll see a couple of issues. I additionally commonly write on LinkedIn, to allow them to search me out on LinkedIn for data, and I’m joyful to reply emails, significantly individuals who, due to their experiences, need me to narrate to them and so in the event that they need to contact me by electronic mail, they will write sraines0445@gmail.com. And I’m positive in the event that they wrote you, they might refer them to me as nicely.
ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, completely. And I’ll put hyperlinks to all this data within the present notes in order that it’s simple to get to.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Nice. Great.
ANGELA COPELAND: Shirley, thanks a lot. This has been so useful and so thrilling for me. I’m simply actually honored to have you ever immediately.
SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I’m honored to be with you, Angela, and I do know that your listeners are going to profit out of your teaching and I hope that our paths will cross in actual life quickly.
ANGELA COPELAND: I feel they may. I feel they may. Effectively thanks once more, and thanks everybody for listening, and due to these of you who despatched me questions. You’ll be able to ship me your questions at angela@copelandcoaching.com. You may also ship me questions by way of Twitter. I’m @CopelandCoach, and on Fb, I’m “Copeland Teaching.” Don’t overlook to assist me out. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and go away me a assessment.
