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Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen. Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah. Helen Tupper: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast the place we speak in regards to the ins, outs, ups and downs of labor and share some concepts for motion, some instruments so that you can check out, to offer you just a little bit extra confidence and management over your profession improvement. And this week, we’re diving into the world of synthetic intelligence. Sarah Ellis: I am unable to imagine that we’re, to be sincere! Helen Tupper: I am unable to imagine I’ve obtained you to do it! Sarah Ellis: Perhaps AI might be recording this! Helen Tupper: I do not know. Perhaps it is not you, possibly it is not me. No, I really feel prefer it may be slicker if it was AI than us! Sarah Ellis: A lot slicker! Helen Tupper: A lot slicker than what may be coming! Yeah, I am fairly shocked that I’ve persuaded you to do that, and you then’ve gone off and found a great deal of different stuff. I am very impressed together with your dedication to the podcast this week. Sarah Ellis: Properly, you realize, open mindset and all that! Helen Tupper: So, we’ll inform you just a little bit extra about what we’ve got carried out and learnt and the way it will aid you together with your improvement in a minute, however Sarah, I do know that you’ve some excellent news for our listeners. Sarah Ellis: I do certainly. So, Squiggly Profession e book. Now we have turned The Squiggly Profession right into a video e book. I say we; we did not do any of the manufacturing, which is why it seems unimaginable and has attention-grabbing animations, it has us on display doing drawings, it has a great deal of Squiggly Profession tales. And if you happen to’ve not come throughout a video e book earlier than, it actually does what it says on the tin. It is about 50 minutes lengthy, it is all damaged down into movies for every of the chapters. You get to obtain the entire workout routines and the workbook. We expect it is a actually attention-grabbing and inclusive method of studying, as a result of it is actually visible. You possibly can break it down, it feels actually bitesize. You possibly can really obtain it and in addition watch it offline, which I believe is kind of useful for individuals’s commute and issues like that. And really handily, for 4 weeks, all people who listens to the podcast can get a free copy of The Squiggly Profession video e book. So, if you wish to strive it out mainly and simply see whether or not it is useful for you, you will get The Squiggly Profession, after which clearly if you wish to take a look at different ones, you are able to do that. So, get your free video e book of The Squiggly Profession. You should go to litvideobooks.com/the-squiggly-career. In fact, we are going to put that URL within the present notes and we’ll share it once we share this podcast episode. After which mainly, you click on to purchase, you go to your cart to do your checkout and also you create an account. After which your code, all capitals, is SQUIGGLYCAREERSPODCAST. So, I do know that is at all times a bit tough to hearken to and jot that down, so possibly that is the one time the place you suppose, “I’ll take a look at the present notes for the primary time ever”, as a result of I do know that is not one thing that I do in a podcast fairly often. Or, you’ll be able to at all times e-mail us, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com, if you happen to get a bit misplaced and you’ll’t discover it. You should utilize the video e book on both web site or cell with the identical login, so hopefully it is going to really feel useful. I hope that looks like a helpful factor for our listeners, and we might love some suggestions. So, if you happen to do get your free copy, if you happen to’ve had an opportunity to look at it, we might like to know your reflections, what works effectively about it, any “even higher ifs”, whether or not you suppose it is one thing you’ll use once more sooner or later. So hopefully, a great little additional Squiggly bonus to start out this week’s episode. Helen Tupper: What a Squiggly bonus; free studying in change for suggestions! So, let’s discuss synthetic intelligence. So, it’s a subject getting a great deal of consideration and to be sincere, I’ve heard individuals speaking about it and I’ve nearly been considering, “Have you learnt what, I must look into that just a little bit extra”. It has been on my studying listing for some time like, “Oh my gosh, is ChapGPT going to exchange profession teaching? What does this imply for the way forward for our enterprise? I ought to in all probability look into this”, however it form of felt, I do not know, very noisy on a lot of social media web sites, and I wasn’t actually certain the place to start out with it. However I believed it is price experimenting with. So, the rationale we’re masking it’s because we do suppose there may be some potential worth in among the instruments which can be pushed by synthetic intelligence that might aid you together with your improvement, however we needed to road-test it for you first. So, we needed to take a lot of totally different, I name it use instances, and Sarah’s like, “That sounds method too technical”; a lot of various things that you just may do in your day-to-day mainly, the traditional stuff that you’d do, after which take all these instruments that everybody’s speaking about and work out, are they really helpful; is it quite a lot of noise, or is it useful? Whether it is useful, then possibly we should always convey these into our work, into the best way our groups work and simply get a bit extra snug with them. And if it is not useful, possibly we should always simply do what we do rather well as people and cease getting distracted by all of the headlines. So, we’re your guineapigs, we’ve got road-tested these items for you, and we will be as sensible as attainable about what we take into consideration them. Sarah Ellis: I actually keep in mind a number of years in the past listening to the Chief Inventive Officer of Fb, and so they had been known as Fb at the moment, speaking in regards to the significance of play, and the way if you play with tech, you actually get a really feel for what it does and the way it works. So, as a lot as I believe you’ll be able to examine AI, and I’ve carried out a little bit of studying and I’ve learn a number of articles and seen individuals share totally different factors of view and views on the ethics of AI, or the way it can work alongside us, somewhat than towards us, or the way it could make our lives simpler, I do suppose it is solely when you could have a go that you just simply get an actual thought for the stage that that know-how is at, the way it may assist, whether or not it does not give you the results you want. So, I believe that’s nearly the principle message that I might encourage all people to have a take into consideration if you’re listening, nearly in a really no-pressure form of method, can you could have a play, a bit like Helen and I’ve carried out; and truthfully, the extra I’ve performed with all the pieces, the extra enjoyable I’ve had, as a result of I’ve not felt like, “I have to be doing this, as a result of I really feel like it will substitute me tomorrow”; I’ve felt extra, “How can it assist me?” beginning off with an optimistic mindset of considering, “Hopefully there’s some great things to be learnt alongside the best way”. That has positively been true, actually for any person who’s not as into tech as Helen is. However I believe, if I’ve loved it, I reckon all people else can too. Helen Tupper: So, what we’ll do is we’ll undergo the conditions once we suppose you should utilize these items and we’ll speak in regards to the instruments that we tried out, after which we are going to summarise all of it for you. So, within the PodSheet, which you will get from our web site, amazingif.com, you will discover the entire hyperlinks there. After which, if you happen to comply with us on social media, @amazingif on Instagram, or @amazingif, our LinkedIn web page, we’ll do a PodNote there in order that you can obtain it and you can check out these instruments and discover them actually simply. However yeah, it is extra about having a play, having a go, experimenting and simply having fun with it and seeing what occurs. I believe that is what Sarah and I’ve carried out. Additionally, Sarah and I have never actually talked about this, so I do not know what she thinks of the instruments that she’s tried out, so I’m listening and studying similtaneously you. So, Sarah, the very first thing that you just did was used AI that can assist you write a CV. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, so I used one thing known as Kickresume, and we have carried out a “what labored effectively; even higher if”, clearly, for every of the AI instruments. Who knew the AI might in all probability do the “what labored effectively; even higher if” for you of their very own instrument, which will get a bit meta if you consider it like that! However what I actually favored about Kickresume, and customarily after I’ve checked out CVs, there at the moment are so many examples to borrow brilliance from. I really suppose there is no excuse to not have a good CV now, as a result of there are knowledgeable guides which you could learn on Kickresume, so it does provide you with content material. I believe that content material is written by people; I believe it’s as a result of they describe the specialists. I do not suppose they’re made-up specialists. I used to be like, “What’s actual and what’s not?” However I believe the knowledgeable guides are written, there’s a great deal of examples, there’s a great deal of templates. Then what you are able to do, which I did strive, is you’ll be able to flip your LinkedIn into your CV, and so they present you step-by-step do it. I adopted these steps and I might do it. Who knew you’ll be able to obtain your whole knowledge from LinkedIn, however you’ll be able to! So, I form of have this file on my pc now with all of my LinkedIn. You actually pop it into Kickresume, you select the template that you really want, so clearly I beloved doing that, I beloved choosing, I used to be like, “Which one do I need?” I used to be wanting on the design, clearly I fairly like wanting on the design stuff. After which it form of places all the pieces in there for you. Now, is it 100% proper; is it a CV I’d ever ship to anybody? In fact not, as a result of it mainly can solely take and scrape the information that is there. So, would I need to personalise it? Sure. Are there some belongings you’d change? In fact. However it does do, I reckon, 60% to 70% of the laborious give you the results you want, in case your LinkedIn is updated, as a result of clearly it is put in all of the dates, it is put in all of the roles, it offers you so many recommendations of, “You might do it a bit like this [or] this is write a extremely good cowl letter, this is write a extremely good abstract”. The vast majority of what I discovered on Kickresume and on different locations is free. More often than not, there are some free issues which you could entry. After which normally, in some unspecified time in the future, you hit a paywall, as a result of I assume in some unspecified time in the future they should make some cash. So, paywalls may be, if you happen to needed ten totally different templates, or if you happen to needed a lot of examples of canopy letters. The one factor I’d say I discovered after I was significantly CVs and canopy letters, as a result of I assume they’re an apparent software for AI, is it nearly turns into overwhelming. I used to be like, “Wow, there are 100 totally different choices for what my CV ought to appear like”, some which you’ll shortly low cost, however I used to be like, “How do I do know if that one’s higher than one other one? They do go fairly far. On the CV templates, they put logos and so they’ll say, “A CV on this format, this individual was employed by Adidas”, and so they title the manufacturers and mainly they’re saying, “This has labored”. It is form of a stamp of approval, which I used to be like, “Oh, that is fairly attention-grabbing”. So, I believe my conclusion on the CV and canopy letter stuff was, it is an excellent place to start out if you happen to’re feeling a bit caught. I believe it could problem you to possibly think about doing a CV in a barely totally different method, or possibly together with some issues like abilities or capabilities in several methods. I positively noticed stuff that I believed, “I might borrow that concept”. Do you continue to must do among the heavy lifting to actually make sure that it displays you and it tonally feels best for you? Sure, however I nonetheless felt like there was a lot of helpful stuff available. Helen Tupper: And you realize you stated you linked it to your LinkedIn after which it obtained you form of 60%, 70% there with a CV that you’d then must personalise; how lengthy did that course of take, from logging on, connecting with LinkedIn? Sarah Ellis: So, there was a three-step course of, which I did the primary two steps, after which you must wait 24 hours to get the obtain from LinkedIn, so that you could not do all of it on the identical day. So, I did it yesterday, I obtained the recordsdata right now from LinkedIn, they each got here by; that was very easy. You actually drag and drop them into Kickresume. The CV seems then straightaway within the template. When you needed it that day, you would not have the ability to do it, however inside two days you’ll be able to. Helen Tupper: Attention-grabbing. Okay, so think about you’ve got obtained this superb CV that you’ve got from Kickresume, and you then’ve improved it your self together with your very human abilities, you then get an interview. So, the following little bit of AI we want is to assist us put together for an interview, and I used interviewschool.com. So, I went onto the web site, I did it earlier than the paywall, so there’s a paywall factor the place you get a great deal of totally different interviews which you could take. I simply went with one which was obtainable for everyone. So, Sarah, I interviewed for a gross sales govt at Verizon, and I sat there at my kitchen desk, and this AI man interviewed me for the job. And truthfully, it was so actual that my little boy, Henry, got here as much as me and was like, “Mummy, is that this dwell?” and I used to be like, “No, however get out, I am being interviewed by AI. Get out of the display!” Sarah Ellis: “Do not interrupt me, I need to go this interview, I need to win”! Helen Tupper: Properly, are you aware, it obtained just a little bit like that. So, this man, this AI, was asking me a sequence of questions that might give me apply by way of answering for this job as a gross sales govt, and I really felt just a little bit beneath strain. Sarah Ellis: That is in all probability a great factor although, proper? Helen Tupper: Yeah, and so they had been really fairly good questions. However he’d say like, “Discuss a time if you’ve negotiated for one thing that you just needed at work”, and you then reply it. And while you’re answering it, he is nodding and shifting his head in fairly a practical method! Sarah Ellis: So bizarre! Helen Tupper: It is so bizarre! And you then do your reply and you then press “subsequent query” after which he comes at you with the following query. It does really feel just a little bit like he is coming at you with the following query, as a result of if you happen to had been interviewing me, there could be a little bit of rapport. Sarah Ellis: Okay, yeah. Helen Tupper: So, I’d ask you a query, you may ask a follow-up query on what I’ve stated, so there is a pure move that possibly creates connection in an interview; whereas, this was like an interrogation for a gross sales job, just a little bit! However equally, he requested me about six or seven questions, they had been good questions, they made me take into consideration my solutions, and you then obtained suggestions on the readability of your solutions, on key phrases, in your tempo, all these types of issues. So really, I believe it’s fairly good preparation so that you can really feel just a little bit extra assured. It is form of like a role-play that nobody else sees, and I’d have give you extra concepts on account of doing that, than if I would just turned up on the interview with an actual individual. Sarah Ellis: Gone, straight for interview. Helen Tupper: Yeah. So, I believe it was good. Like I say, I simply did one of many ones that had been obtainable, and I believe if you happen to pay, you get entry to extra particular jobs, extra particular prep. However I believe it is price it. I’d suggest Interview College if you happen to’ve obtained an interview developing, to practise your abilities, really feel assured in your solutions. Sarah Ellis: Something that you just did not like, or that did not fairly give you the results you want? Helen Tupper: It is speculated to generate a report for me and that took fairly a very long time. It stated it was going to take it in quarter-hour and it took a very long time, and so I believed, you realize a few of it is not fairly there but. The concept and alternative is fairly spectacular, however among the tech’s not fairly there but, nonetheless just a little bit glitchy. So, that was in all probability an “even higher if” on that platform, however I believe it’s totally, very practically there. No, I believe simply I would not need to suppose — are you aware what, it made me suppose two issues really. It made me suppose, “Gosh, really interviews are nicer”. So, I would not need somebody to suppose that was what an interview was going to be like, that you must be interrogated, as a result of I believe it is necessary that you just ask questions again, and it’s important that there is rapport, and also you get none of that. After which the opposite factor that it made me suppose was, what if corporations begin doing this as the primary spherical? Sarah Ellis: That is what I used to be simply considering. Helen Tupper: Yeah. Sarah Ellis: After they’ve obtained to do filtering, absolutely corporations are going to start out utilizing it. Helen Tupper: And also you and me, I believe we’d give you concepts and it could be the bouncing between individuals that might in all probability assist us to be our greatest. So it made me suppose, “If corporations are going to make use of this as first-round screening, I really feel like that might display out people who may be actually good, as a result of that is simply not a very snug method of speaking for some individuals”. So, that is my solely little, “I am not 100% certain about it”. Sarah Ellis: Crimson flag? Helen Tupper: Yeah, just a little bit. Sarah Ellis: Yeah. And I believe again to you level about usability, I discovered an actual distinction with all the pieces I examined. I obtained very aggravated if it is too laborious to check. So, I believe with all of them, you realize when it is simple to entry and straightforward to have a go at, in the event that they’ve mainly eliminated obstacles to entry, they’re all those that I obtained most concerned in, began enjoying with masses extra. After they had been making you join, and I am certain it is as a result of all of them need your knowledge, however there have been a great deal of hoops to undergo, I simply misplaced curiosity, or I used to be like, “You are making this too laborious for me to even check out”. I believe with quite a lot of them, as a result of they’re at fairly early levels, those which can be actually good are simply making it very easy to check and simply have some enjoyable with. Helen Tupper: Okay, so we have written our CV, we have carried out our interview, we have got the job, we’re now within the day-to-day of our work and we’re in all probability in back-to-back conferences, we’re doing shows, we’re doing Groups calls, we’re doing Zoom calls, so how can AI assist us now? Properly, it will possibly aid you to enhance your communications within the conferences. There may be one instrument that I paid for, and it’s poised.com, as a result of I used to be so intrigued about how might this assist me enhance my presenting abilities, my communications, and it is actually good, it is actually, actually good! That is considered one of my favourites. Sarah Ellis: You bought so obsessed with this, I used to be like, “She completely loves no matter that is!” Helen Tupper: I am undecided you are going to love this. Sarah Ellis: Inform us extra. Helen Tupper: Okay. So that you go on poised.com and I believe I paid £15 and I am going to flip it off quickly, as a result of I simply did it for the advantage of our listeners, and what it does is you join it to your Microsoft Groups and your Zoom account. That was fairly easy, did not take me lengthy to try this. After which it sits within the background of your conferences. Sarah Ellis: Oh my God, no! Helen Tupper: I do know you are not going to love this; wait! So, it sits within the background of your conferences, and each considered one of your conferences, it is recording simply you, not the opposite individuals, simply you. And what it does, it does two issues. So, actual time, you get suggestions in your pitch, your tempo, your filler phrases, your domination of the dialogue; actual time, you’ll be able to see this all flashing up. After which afterwards, what it does is it saves all of the insights on a dashboard, and it offers it a rating. So, you’ll be able to see general what was your communication rating. Sarah Ellis: I am yours now, since you’ve given me a diagram to have a look at. Helen Tupper: I do know, and you then get a great deal of suggestions in your confidence and readability and all this type of stuff. Mine’s just a little bit deceptive, I believe, as a result of quite a lot of what we do on Zoom is we’re presenting Squiggly periods, so it is barely deceptive, however I might simply delete these Squiggly periods and take a look at it extra as precise conversations in conferences, and that can in all probability give me fairer. However unsurprisingly, Sarah, I rating fairly extremely on the power and my communications, and fairly badly on my tempo, as a result of most of my suggestions is that I ought to decelerate just a little bit, which isn’t new information to you, actual buddy, not AI buddy! So, yeah, I’d actually suggest it. What do you suppose? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is attention-grabbing. I imply, I actually do not agree with in-the-moment suggestions, as a result of that is so counter to — I imply, right now, I used to be speaking to a gaggle in regards to the significance of being current and distraction downfalls and the way the standard of our consideration equals the standard of our considering. So, if you happen to out of the blue are giving real-time pop-up suggestions that’s distracting you from a dialog, particularly if you’re already any person who is kind of simply distracted, and I usually ask individuals, “How usually are you interrupted in a day?” primarily what that is doing is interrupting you. So, I’m very anti that by way of focus. Helen Tupper: However you’ll be able to flip it off. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, if you happen to can flip it off; nice. Helen Tupper: Each time, I’ve additionally discovered that distracting, however I am simply it now, I believe it is really recording me now, hilariously! Sarah Ellis: Oh, nice, I am getting recorded and I do not even know; that is precisely why we want ethics! Helen Tupper: It does not file you, it simply data me. However it says right here, I did a session earlier and it says, “You might have sounded extra assured by deliberately pausing to breathe. It lets you really feel in command of your message”. Sarah Ellis: Breathe Helen, Goddamn it, breathe! Helen Tupper: Breathe! Then it has just a little assertion that I stated, after which you’ll be able to play again, it data simply that little clip. So, the recommendation it offers you, it simply snips that little bit so you’ll be able to play it again and hearken to it. Sarah Ellis: I do suppose that’s helpful. Helen Tupper: It’s actually, actually good and I do suppose it is helpful as effectively. I believe I’d suggest this to individuals. Sarah Ellis: I really feel like I might need a go at that one, flip off mechanically straightaway the dwell suggestions factor as a result of I do not agree with that. I do not perceive how that might ever be helpful for the best way that our brains work and what we learn about our brains. However I do suppose typically, I’ve obtained some hypotheses about some issues that I believe I do, however it could be actually nice to get suggestions on these issues that I believe are unhelpful. So, you realize you had been saying, “Perhaps I do learn about tempo, however possibly it is actually strengthened that”? I believe I am not nearly as good after I’m assembly somebody for the primary time, as a result of I believe I get nervous and I believe I interrupt an excessive amount of and I believe I dominate some conversations greater than I want to. So possibly simply having knowledge to your improvement, we discuss having knowledge, it offers you some actually particular knowledge to your improvement after which presumably, you might then take a look at it over time and see if you happen to’re getting any higher. Helen Tupper: Yeah, since you get a rating. Sarah Ellis: That bit, I like. Helen Tupper: You’d see your scores bettering. The “filler phrases” is absolutely helpful as effectively. Mine are sometimes “so”, and this does not at all times make snug studying, however really it’s good to your improvement. Sarah Ellis: I am going to try this one. Helen Tupper: Yeah! Sarah Ellis: I like 50% of it and never the opposite 50%. So now, with the assistance of AI, you could have your dream job, you are smashing that dream job, and also you’re enthusiastic about, “The place shall I’m going subsequent; how do I discover my profession potentialities?” So, for profession potentialities and enthusiastic about the place your profession might take you, I used a instrument known as wouldyouratherbe.com, and this actually encourages you to discover the artwork of the attainable. So, it type of makes you undergo a careers quiz asking you a great deal of questions on your self, but in addition about a lot of totally different sorts of jobs, and it’s like, “Would you somewhat?” So it is like, “Would you somewhat be a beautician or an engineer?” after which it offers you a brief paragraph about what these jobs contain. So, you do get a little bit of a really feel for, “I do not know what it seems wish to be an engineer”, however it is going to describe the types of belongings you may do, spending your time doing these roles. And it positively broadens your enthusiastic about all of the various kinds of jobs which can be on the market. I’d say, of all the pieces I attempted, it was the one which I loved the least, as a result of it was quite a lot of simply clicking by. So it was like, “Would you somewhat…?” tens of millions of those questions, “Profession advisor?” and I used to be like, “Perhaps that one”, “Or sports activities star?” I used to be like, “Properly, if you happen to’re giving me sports activities star; possibly!” So, they’re fairly dramatically totally different and so they try to encourage you to maintain going, as a result of they clearly want extra knowledge, I assume, to strive after which be helpful. After which they categorise them into, “You prefer to creator jobs”, for instance, after which they offer you a lot of concepts for, “Okay, if you wish to do creator jobs, listed below are a great deal of examples of what that might appear like”. It was reminiscent for me of actually profession recommendation that you just do at college, however possibly barely extra refined, and I wasn’t then certain what I’d then do with it. I believe if I might possibly by no means had a job earlier than, you realize if you happen to’re actually ranging from scratch, possibly it could aid you. However I did should fill in quite a lot of stuff about me at first that was all on LinkedIn, and I might really thought I hadn’t even carried out the opposite instrument but and I used to be like, “Absolutely, this might simply — does it not simply know this?” By this level, I am anticipating all AI to be super-smart and simply know this! I used to be a bit fearful a few of it felt not as inclusive because it might be, as a result of I did get requested various questions on issues like my {qualifications}, and I used to be like, “Absolutely we need to give individuals choices and alternatives that aren’t simply based mostly on their schooling degree?” So, I struggled a bit with how I might discover this handy, the “so what” of this. I’d nearly like to listen to from any person maybe who possibly if you happen to had been at college and you are not even enthusiastic about your profession if you’re 16, 17, 18, except you are very vocationally targeted, I assume; however possibly at that time, I might think about it may be a bit extra helpful, as a result of it does simply present you the entire various things, it means you do not restrict your self too quickly; there have been a lot of totally different kinds and roles. However I wasn’t certain about this one. It’d simply be that I’ve not seen the potential and also you do have the identical factor of, “Am I utilizing this in the precise method?” However it did not work for me and I could not consider anybody who I’d then nearly suggest it for. Helen Tupper: It does not sound as helpful as a extra retro curious profession dialog. Like, I will have a few curious profession conversations and I will learn how you bought to the place you have to and what you probably did and what you’ve got learnt, and take into consideration whether or not that might be a great match for me in my future. I really feel like I’d get extra worth having a few curious profession conversations in fairly an analogue method, than utilizing this AI Would You Somewhat Be answer. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, and it actually did inform me issues I already knew. So it did say, “You’d in all probability fairly like jobs the place you get to create”, and I simply suppose lots of people would already know that. After which it was giving me these very big selection of roles, however possibly not the help with get there, or what then I’d do. And most of the people are coming from, they’re doing one thing right now and I used to be like, “Now I am being instructed I must go and do set design”. I am like, “Okay, that feels fairly removed from the place I’m proper now”. However once more, possibly we’re not the viewers. So, possibly if you happen to’re listening and also you’re at first of your profession, have a go and see when you have a special expertise; or, if you realize somebody who’s at first, maybe share it with them and tell us whether or not they discovered it helpful. Helen Tupper: One instrument that I used to discover profession potentialities as effectively, enthusiastic about what I’d need to do sooner or later, is I used Google Bard, which I believe is definitely fairly like ChapGPT. I believe you must be a part of a wait listing, however you then instantly get an e-mail that goes, “And now you are on the listing”! Sarah Ellis: It is only a actually quick wait! Helen Tupper: I do not know whether or not they’re attempting to play with some psychology of, “Oh, I have been accepted right into a membership!” I do not know, however mainly you go onto Google Bard, you be a part of the wait listing after which inside about two minutes, you are within the group. And I requested it, I believed, “Have you learnt what, I am going to think about I need to work at Microsoft”, like considered one of my profession potentialities is to work at Microsoft, and I believed I’ll ask it about what it is wish to work in advertising and marketing at Microsoft within the UK, what the corporate tradition’s like, what the professionals and cons are of working for Microsoft. And I believed, are you aware what, I’ll examine what it says with my precise expertise of working in that organisation. Sarah Ellis: Attention-grabbing. Helen Tupper: It was fairly correct! As a result of, Microsoft’s fairly nuanced in that you’ve what I’d consider as large Microsoft in Seattle, after which you could have the international locations, that are type of the gross sales engines for the companies. And the tradition, I’d say, within the international locations is kind of totally different to the centre of the enterprise, and it picked up on these nuances, I do not know the way, however it picked up on these nuances in regards to the distinction of working in nation roles versus in central firm roles. The professionals and cons had been very reflective of my expertise. So, I really thought, if you happen to had a wishlist of 5 corporations you needed to work in and also you had been attempting to work out what might culturally be a great match and what may working there appear like, I believe utilizing a instrument like Google Bard, ChatGPT in all probability does the identical factor, positively time effectively spent. Sarah Ellis: I obtained requested that very query right now. So, after a workshop, somebody got here as much as me and stated, “If I used to be attempting to get a really feel for a tradition for an organization, something that you just’d suggest?” Truly I stated, “Properly, take a look at Glassdoor, as a result of that provides you with a little bit of a really feel. It may be a bit excessive, however it provides you with a little bit of a really feel. And I stated, “Go and have some curious profession conversations, so search for individuals who have possibly labored there beforehand, as a result of that is at all times actually attention-grabbing as a result of then they have no vested , or who work there now who you suppose could be ready to be sincere with you about their experiences”. However that might have been a extremely good construct. This isn’t about simply doing one factor; we’re not going, “Do not have conversations any extra”. However if you happen to had been like, “I’ve checked out that Google Bard –” why is it known as Bard, by the best way? Helen Tupper: Properly, is not bard like a scholar; if you happen to’re a bard? Sarah Ellis: I imply, possibly I’ve learnt one thing new right now, I do not know. I do not really feel prefer it’s a really common phrase, is it? Helen Tupper: Wasn’t Shakespeare a bard? We should always in all probability know this! Lets go on Google Bard and ask what a bard is?! Sarah Ellis: I simply suppose it is fairly a bizarre phrase, it is not prefer it’s an on a regular basis phrase, however anyway. Helen Tupper: Properly, ChatGPT is just not actually catchy, is it? Sarah Ellis: I do know, I discover that basically laborious to say, so I believe they need to rename it. I am obsessive about them renaming these items into extra helpful issues which can be simple to recollect. However I do suppose that’s actually useful, getting a really feel for match, we at all times discuss that. Be actually lively about exploring, get a really feel for what someplace’s actually like, and if it helps you to try this, I can see that being actually helpful. Helen Tupper: So, subsequent up, we’re going to consider, in your common day, how can AI aid you to avoid wasting time. What’s attention-grabbing right here is I used a instrument that I believe might be fairly helpful and Sarah has used the identical instrument for a special goal. So, the instrument is Wordtune and, Sarah, what did you employ it for? Sarah Ellis: Writing and summarising. Helen Tupper: Okay. So, wordtune.com is the instrument; let me inform you how I used it to avoid wasting time. So, I used to be studying, effectively, I might seen a report from the World Financial Discussion board which I needed to learn, I believe it was one thing you shared on our Groups channel, Sarah, about abilities and issues, and I checked out it and I used to be like, “296 pages; that is a beast of a learn that I am not going to have the ability to do!” and I believed, “I’ve obtained to check these instruments for the podcast”. And, one of many issues that Wordtune does is it summarises PDFs, studies, web sites. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know, I attempted that too. Helen Tupper: And so, I simply added this 296-page World Financial Discussion board report and inside, I do not know, 30 seconds, possibly much less, it had summarised all of it for me and I used to be like, “Wow, that is fairly helpful”. Now, after I say summarised, it hadn’t carried out one paragraph, it did not condense the 296 pages into one paragraph. What it did is it summarised each web page, so I might scroll down it and I might be like, “Okay, web page 1, that is the important thing takeaway; web page 2, that is the important thing takeaway”, so I nonetheless needed to scroll down. However what I discovered was fairly helpful was, I used to be capable of go, “That web page 36, that appears like in all probability the bit that is most related for me”, and I might go and spend extra time studying the pages that had been related. It was a great first filter. What I do not suppose it did was gave me the ultimate reply that I’d need to get to. So, after I’m studying a report, I am wanting and my specific factor that I am attempting to get out of it’s key stats and statements which can be actually sticky. And I believe for me, I used to be like, “That looks like a Helen human ability”, to have the ability to learn that report and go, “That is a sticky stat. I can write a LinkedIn publish on that” or, “That is a good suggestion, there is a nugget in that that we are able to use in a podcast sooner or later”. And so, that curiosity connecting dots factor, it does not do this. It mainly collects a lot of dots and summarises them for you, however it misses the stuff that makes it actually attention-grabbing, as a result of I believe it nearly condenses it in fairly a generic method. Actually good for saving time; I do suppose it was actually helpful, however I do not suppose it replaces the necessity to learn and pick the factors that seize curiosity. Sarah Ellis: So, I completely find it irresistible. I’m very, very onboard with Wordtune, because it seems; I am like, “Oh my God, that is sensible!”. I do suppose mainly I might inform you a lot about it, I’ve spent a lot time on it! Helen Tupper: She’s so excited! I’ve by no means seen you so enthusiastic about know-how. Sarah Ellis: So, you’ll be able to put in — I believe I am blown away by how intelligent some tech is usually, I am like, “Oh my God, it is simply so intelligent!” So, you’ll be able to put in a paragraph, for instance, and it will possibly rewrite, so it will possibly actually rewrite a sentence, and it offers you a lot of choices; that is what I actually like about it. It does not simply go, “This is a rewrite”, it goes, “This is three rewrites, you select the one that you just like the perfect”. You possibly can shorten, so you’ll be able to actually click on on a button that claims, “Shorten”, and it simply makes it extra condensed and easy; you’ll be able to increase it; you should utilize informal or formal tone, I beloved enjoying round with that and clearly I most well-liked the extra informal tone. And so, I used it on an instance. So, very particularly, somebody in our crew at Superb If just lately requested me to rewrite one thing for them. They had been like, “I am struggling a bit to articulate this factor. Sarah, can you could have a go at rewriting it?” and I used to be like, “Yeah, actually joyful to try this”. I do this fairly a bit for individuals. I am broadly okay at writing; not superb, however okay. So then I used to be like, “Would this be higher than me?” So, I do know what I’ve written, so then I might check myself towards it. By that time, clearly I used to be getting fairly aggressive, I used to be like, “Do I beat the bot?” mainly, “Are you able to beat the bot?” It seems in all probability not. For one thing like writing, I checked out it and I used to be like, effectively, if we had used this as a crew, you have to know your individual tone, you have to know your individual model, however I checked out it and I used to be like, “Yeah, there are two or three right here which can be fairly good”, and also you then must tweak a tiny bit. However I used to be considering, “I believe any person might do this for themselves, then they would not want me”, after which I spend time on issues which can be including much more worth than me rewriting some sentences. So, as a lot as you are able to do it, I used to be like, “Properly, it is simply higher”. I imply, I used to be making Helen snicker, as a result of I needed to do it at first and he or she would not let me, of the podcast. I put our podcast intro into it and I used to be like, “How would you introduce Squiggly Careers podcast?” I then put what we typically say and I put that into it. I used to be like, “All of these items are higher than what we do!” Reid Hoffman, one of many founders of LinkedIn has written a e book. I believe he is written a e book utilizing ChatGPT; I believe that is what he used. It is fairly laborious to inform typically it is not written by an individual. I do suppose their copy abilities, if you’re writing easy, simple issues, do they write artistic copy? I’ve obtained to hope nonetheless that people can do this, however I do not know. I used to be like, “Is that this going to assist us write our subsequent e book?” Perhaps. It is higher than you suppose. I’d be naturally so anti that, I might again myself, I might be like, “Properly, no, my writing will at all times be higher, they will not get our tone”. The extra I’ve used it, the extra I am like, “Perhaps it ought to write our subsequent e book, possibly we should always cease writing books as a result of the AI will simply do it for us”. It is actually made me query life, this one has! I used to be like, “I’ve obtained so many questions”. Helen Tupper: I imply, I believed this was going to be a podcast about high ideas for individuals to check out tech — Sarah Ellis: Oh proper, yeah, sorry! Helen Tupper: — however it looks like we have began to query the universe and our position in it as human beings; it is gone fairly deep fairly fast! Sarah Ellis: Properly, if you begin to see or not it’s good, really good, I used to be like, “Oh, okay, effectively…” and in addition, it simply does not trouble me, as a result of I am not that bothered about having the ability to — if that may write a greater sentence, what I like is healthier sentences. So, if that is what will get to raised sentences, then nice. However I nonetheless suppose you in all probability want the human enter, you have to know what you need to write first. However for many enterprise writing, a lot of enterprise writing is not actually artistic, we’re attempting to be quick and particular and concise, and that is one thing a lot of individuals wrestle with and this solves that drawback. Helen Tupper: It does make you suppose, does not it about, “Properly, how do you beat the bot?” If the bot’s going to get higher and higher, and it will get higher at writing actually, actually shortly, it is going to be taught your tone and it will likely be in a position to do that actually shortly; so then, are you higher than the bot due to the questions you ask of the bot? So, does having the ability to write actually good drawback statements and give you actually good questions, is that the ability that you just put money into? You might lose confidence fairly shortly with a few of these issues and go, “Properly, what is the level of me writing social media copy when the bot can simply do it for us?” however really I believe it is like, do not attempt to compete with tech that’s accelerating very quick, it is a shedding recreation, I believe it is a shedding recreation, however take into consideration, “What abilities change into more and more related when that little bit of my ability’s been outsourced to a different instrument?” I used a extremely comparable, simply in case individuals need to strive a special one, I used GrammarlyGO, which has precisely what Sarah says. You possibly can put in a paragraph and it’ll write issues for you. I obtained it to put in writing me a LinkedIn publish. It wasn’t fairly my tone, however it had among the similar performance that Sarah stated, like shorten it, make it extra casual, all that type of stuff, which I fairly like seeing. The factor with GrammarlyGO is, I imply I can see it on my display, it integrates. This stuff, it is a bit like Poised; it integrates into your techniques, it is actually laborious to eliminate it. So now, each time I kind on my Groups or on my emails, I simply see the Grammarly pop up on a regular basis and I am like, “No, go, actually go, Grammarly, however not the GrammarlyGO you are attempting to market to me; go, depart me alone!” Sarah Ellis: “Go away!” Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Go away, Grammarly!” So, I do must do some deleting of some issues that I’ve downloaded for the sake of this podcast. Sarah Ellis: Oh, yeah, me too. I believe I’ve subscribed to about 4 million issues after which at one level I began to suppose, “I must cease utilizing my e-mail handle”, genuinely, I used to be like, “That is going to be actually annoying”. So, yeah, what we do for our listeners! Helen Tupper: Proper, we have got a pair extra every, all people. Actually fast one which I’d suggest attempting out if you happen to discover you fairly like watching video content material, significantly on YouTube; so, if one of many methods you be taught is by watching video content material, actually good instrument known as videohighlight.com. I used to be actually impressed by this. So, I took a video — we put all of our weekly PodPlus periods onto YouTube. I took a hyperlink from YouTube of considered one of our PodPlus periods, I pasted it into VideoHighlight, and VideoHighlight immediately transcribed our 30-minute PodPlus session, not solely into the precise factor that Sarah had stated, as a result of it was Sarah presenting, however it summarised what Sarah had stated into headings and bullet factors. I imply, you are fairly succinct and helpful anyway. Sarah Ellis: Did it make me sound good? Helen Tupper: Higher, even higher! Sarah Ellis: Good! Helen Tupper: It was bullet factors. It was a headline after which, “Listed here are 5 coach-yourself questions”, and it summarised all of them. Actually helpful. My caveat on this, it did not work with TED. So, TED will need to have some particular coding with the TED Talks that sit on YouTube that meant you could not do it with that. However some other YouTube video, and it took, I imply, reduce/paste press the button after which 10 seconds later, you’ve got obtained a transcription. VideoHighlight.com; effectively price a glance. Sarah Ellis: And so, the ultimate AI use case that we will discuss right now is for teaching, and in a lot of methods I believe that is nearly the obvious place, as a result of we all know that we would like teaching to be extra accessible, extra inexpensive, and this can be a good way for this to occur. So, I used a instrument known as heypi.com, and it is really not designed to be a profession coach, I do not suppose, if I’ve understood it appropriately. I believe it is designed extra to be like your buddy, or extra like an individual to only chat to. However I believed I’d ask it some profession questions simply to see what occurred, as a result of I used to be even considering right now really, after I went out to get a espresso, so usually after I’m being nosey and I overhear conversations, I hear individuals speaking to one another about their jobs or about their careers, and sometimes I actually need to dive in and say, “Have you ever listed to episode … of the Squiggly Careers podcast; it may be helpful?” Clearly I do not do this. However I believe we do speak to our mates and our households about our jobs and our careers, and so despite the fact that I believe there’s in all probability a separate episode in teaching/tech and AI and the way it may be helpful and when it may not be, I really thought it may be useful to strive one thing barely totally different, somewhat than a extra apparent teaching AI. And I used to be really shocked, I used to be actually impressed with the standard of the questions that the AI can ask you. So, I used an instance of claiming, and it’s an instance, Helen, I promise, “Feeling a bit caught in my profession, feeling demotivated, I believe I need to do one thing totally different”. So, that was my stimulus, my start line. And yeah, it was asking me actually good, open questions, excellent coaching-style questions. It was empathetic in model, I felt prefer it actually understood me. I believe I might positively make mates with a robotic, I am so needy. And it additionally made some fairly first rate recommendations. So, the form of issues it began to immediate, I do not really feel it was patronising or telling me what to do, however it was saying, “If that is one thing you actually get pleasure from”, I believe I put “creativity”, you realize, “might you carve out a bit extra time in your day job for that, or really does that really feel too tough to do?” So, I felt prefer it was like an empathetic buddy would, listening to what I stated, providing me some choices, after which letting me discover and seeing the place I went from there. I believe the issues that did not work for me is I nonetheless did not really feel that it was an alternative choice to a profession dialog, however what it’s is rapid and obtainable. So, if you happen to simply needed to have a play with it and you have a direct profession query, “How do I ask for a pay rise? I am having a extremely tough relationship with my supervisor”, you might get some preliminary ideas or questions that I believe could be fairly a great start line for teaching your self. So, nearly you may use it to do a little bit of considering to immediate some considering, you realize, does it provide you with any recommendations or belongings you’ve not considered for your self, so it furthers your individual considering; after which, I believe you might take that into an much more significant profession dialog. So, I can begin to see how AI might make profession conversations even higher. They aid you to do extra of the laborious work for your self, and we all know that is necessary, as a result of you then really feel extra possession to your solutions and to your actions. The most important drawback I had with it was that the tone was method too enthusiastic for me. There’s quite a lot of exclamation marks and, “Superior!” I do not know why I really feel it appears like that, however that is what I felt prefer it gave the impression of. So, after a bit, it obtained a bit grating and I form of went, “This isn’t fairly for me in its present type”. However additionally it is very clear, which I appreciated. On the backside of the web page it says, “That is nonetheless very a lot being examined, it makes errors, do not essentially depend on this for recommendation”. And so, if you happen to had been considering, “Properly, is that this telling me that is the precise reply?” I believed it was very clear that it was like, “Oh, no, it is making some recommendations”. It is providing you with some choices; it is not attempting to inform you what to do, which I do suppose is a extremely good factor. So, like quite a lot of our different instruments, I might actually see potential, even when it is not fairly there but. Helen Tupper: So, hopefully you’ve got discovered {that a} useful pay attention, all people. We all know we have gone by a great deal of totally different instruments, so they’re all summarised within the PodSheet, which you will get on amazingif.com. If there are different instruments that you’ve tried out that you just suppose we should always learn about, please e-mail us, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com. And once we publish this on social media, which will likely be on @amazingif on Instagram, and on our LinkedIn web page there, please remark, share, in order that different individuals can have a play with these items. Our perspective is simply the extra we play, the extra snug we get, and the extra we additionally see how these may help us and the way we’d want to assist ourselves with our very human abilities too. So, thanks a lot for listening, all people, and we’ll be again once more subsequent week. Bye everybody. Sarah Ellis: Bye for now.
