00:00:00: Introduction
00:00:21: 2024 Squiggly Profession Calendar
00:01:38: Concerning the subject
00:04:19: Some examples
00:09:24: Three starter questions
00:11:21: Three concepts for motion…
00:11:24: … 1: minimal viable product
00:16:27: … 2: scratch stacking
00:19:02: … 3: sensible copying
00:23:40: Last ideas
Sarah Ellis: Hello, I am Sarah.
Helen Tupper: And I am Helen.
Sarah Ellis: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, the place each week we take a distinct subject to do with work and we discuss some concepts, some instruments, some methods, something that we predict will provide help to to only navigate your Squiggly Profession with that bit extra confidence, readability and management.
Helen Tupper: And earlier than we get began on right this moment’s episode, we need to let you understand a few new instrument now we have created. There are at all times new instruments, all people. If that is the primary time listening, welcome to the world of Squiggly Profession instruments. The newest one now we have created is a brand new Squiggly Profession Calendar. So, we have performed a number of of those, and previously we have mainly performed a giant pdf with a distinct theme for each month, and also you type of get it abruptly. However we predict it is quite a bit to soak up to do it in that method. So, our strategy for 2024 is to ship you, on the primary of each month, an electronic mail which summarises all of the concepts for motion for that month linked to a selected theme. So for instance, in January, the theme is all about development targets, and within the electronic mail you get a downloadable template which has acquired some concepts for motion, some coach-yourself questions, there are some sources that we suggest as effectively, and it is all put collectively for you in a very easy method.
We do do a brief abstract on social. So, in case you’re pondering, “Oh no, I would miss a publication”, or, “I do not want one other electronic mail in my life”, you will get the abridged model, which will probably be on Wonderful If on LinkedIn, so you’ll be able to see it there. However in case you suppose, “Oh truly, that may be a helpful electronic mail for me to get”, then simply join it and we’ll ship it your method. The hyperlinks for that you’re going to get within the present notes, so in case you take a look at the present notes you’ll click on on the hyperlink after which enroll. If you cannot discover that, simply electronic mail us. We’re helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com.
Sarah Ellis: So, on to right this moment’s subject, which has been recommended by a listener referred to as Leanne, give Leanne a bit of squiggly shoutout, who heard us speaking in a earlier episode concerning the issues that we take pleasure in and do effectively, and needed to know extra about easy methods to work with a clean web page, what to do after we begin from scratch, so the place there isn’t any playbook to comply with, the place you are most likely not doing one thing that you’ve got performed earlier than.
So, that may really feel actually daunting and overwhelming, and possibly on the similar time fairly intriguing and fascinating. I believe there’s numerous ands while you’re beginning with a clean piece of paper. And Leanne talked about that she’d recognised simply how a lot I adore it, as a result of I do. My favorite factor is a clean piece of paper, I believe for plenty of completely different causes. However she requested us to interrupt it down a bit, to type of say, “Okay, effectively if I am in that scenario what, helpful instruments or concepts have you ever acquired which may assist me to be even higher,” as a result of I guess all people’s already extra good than they provide themselves credit score for, “at navigating that starting-from-scratch situation”.
Helen Tupper: And you do not have to attend for a starting-from-scratch situation, so this does not must be like, you’ve got been given a brand new challenge to work on otherwise you’ve began a brand new function. There are literally various methods you’ll be able to create this in your profession, and it’s a helpful factor to do as a result of this potential to begin from scratch could make fairly a giant distinction to your growth. So, it is actually helpful if you end up feeling caught, like if you understand you are good at ranging from scratch, it is a method you can get your self unstuck from these conditions.
If you understand you are good at ranging from scratch, it means that you’re much less prone to get previous data, like the way in which you’ve got performed issues earlier than, get in the way in which of latest development, since you’re capable of deliver that newbie into the way in which of you working actually simply. It additionally, I believe, is a vital method that different folks take confidence in your potential to study new issues and really unlearn issues that you’ve got performed earlier than, which is basically helpful. Persons are extra prone to come to you with these initiatives and people issues that want new methods of pondering in the event that they recognise that that is a capability that you have. So, that is one thing that we predict is helpful for everyone, not only for individuals who could be put able by any individual else the place they must do one thing for the primary time.
Sarah Ellis: And I believe that is intently linked to studying agility, which is one thing that we talked about on the podcast final 12 months, as a result of if studying agility is the power to achieve first-time conditions, that’s basically ranging from scratch. And so, I believe bringing these two subjects collectively, that may be fairly twin hear. If that is one thing the place you recognise you do lots of this, or maybe it is only a huge a part of the function that you just do, or simply one thing that’s already a energy that you just need to stretch, maybe combining this with additionally desirous about studying agility, I believe that they are complementary and have numerous overlap.
So, we thought it would be helpful to contemplate what are we each ranging from scratch in January. So, we’re recording this on 3 January, and I used to be waiting for the subsequent three or 4 months and simply pondering, “What am I ranging from scratch, and in addition what are we ranging from scratch?” So, I acquired a few issues that we’re engaged on collectively which can be fairly various things. The primary one is, we’re ranging from scratch writing a brand new guide. So, extra about that most likely one other week however that is a very huge ranging from scratch. That is one which even any individual like me who loves ranging from scratch, I am going, “Wow, deep breath”.
Helen Tupper: That is a very huge clean web page!
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, a very huge clean web page.
Helen Tupper: That is like many clean pages.
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do not suppose I’ve ever performed something as huge as that will probably be by way of ranging from scratch. Barely smaller and barely completely different, experimenting with easy methods to use AI to help Squiggly Careers. Once more, I can let you know nothing about what that appears like and the way we’ll experiment. We’re ranging from scratch there. So, that will probably be actually fascinating and fairly completely different to one thing like writing a guide. One which’s a private one for me is, I am ranging from scratch doing a each day sketch journal. So, one in all my values is selection. So, I’ve by no means actually performed something constantly or repeatedly as a result of it by no means feels tremendous motivating for me. However I do like the concept of accelerating the standard of my reflections and my self-awareness, and doing that differently and never solely writing however perhaps additionally drawing. I imply, I am on day three, so to this point, so good. However that does really feel like one thing very completely different for me. What about you Helen?
Helen Tupper: Properly earlier than we transfer on what have you ever sketched to this point?
Sarah Ellis: Properly, humorous you must ask, I’ve acquired it proper right here. So, I’ve sketched — so, day one, there’s little tales behind all of those which you’ll all second-guess what was occurring in my life in these moments, so in the mean time I am writing a sentence and drawing a bit of image beneath it, a sketch beneath it. So, day one, so this was New Yr’s Day, “Small moments to your self could make a giant distinction”, and there is a image of a guide.
Helen Tupper: Is that your book-off?
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, completely. Oh yeah, perhaps I am going to add that little book-off subsequent to it. After which, day two, I truly acquired a bit of reference right here from Cal Newport, as a result of I learn a Cal Newport publication that day, and he was speaking about measuring intention and motion as a result of they’re intently associated, so do not simply measure one or the opposite, measure each. And so, I did a bit of sketch of measuring intention and measuring motion and type of displaying the distinction between the 2. So, two days in.
Tupper: Beautiful. I imply, I am simply going to skip previous the truth that if I used to be doing that and placing Cal Newport quotes on a each day factor, you’ll mock me loads.
Sarah Ellis: That is a quote, an perception.
Helen Tupper: Oh, sorry. Okay, it is an perception, all people. Is it straight attributable to his work, or a abstract of among the issues?
Sarah Ellis: Properly, I did write his identify in brackets, as a result of I simply felt like if I needed to refer again to it, I needed to know the place I acquired it from. Helen Tupper: You already know the supply, the supply particulars.
Sarah Ellis: The reference.
Helen Tupper: The reference. Properly, I’m additionally doing one thing each day, and my begin from scratch with this can be a new method of studying. Sounds random, however if you’re a daily listener, you may know that one of many issues that type of was a mistake that I would made, I believe we referred to as it in our evaluate of the 12 months, was that I used to be disillusioned that I hadn’t stored up my studying days. So, these are days that I used to do comparatively frequently, the place all I’d do is learn and I discovered it a very good approach to focus my consideration on digesting new stuff and giving me new concepts. And I hadn’t prioritised it so it hadn’t occurred and I felt I used to be lacking that perception into my work. And I believe that is partly as a result of I hadn’t prioritised it and in addition partly as a result of the way in which that I work is, it is truly fairly onerous to take a time out. So, slightly than simply being depending on that factor occurring on a studying day, which I nonetheless need to do, I am doing a each day chapter. Now, I am taking the strain off a bit of bit of getting to learn the whole guide, however simply doing a each day chapter, and I am doing it within the morning.
You are actually good at studying within the night, however to be trustworthy, after I go to mattress I simply need to fall asleep. And so, I’ll do it within the morning slightly than scrolling on one thing I do not really want to see, and I am simply going to do one chapter. So, the books I am beginning with, I’ve acquired two stepping into parallel. Undecided that that is factor, I do know. I am going to see in case you’ve learn these. Philippa Perry, The Ebook You Need Everybody You Like to Learn, have you ever learn it?
Sarah Ellis: No, I’ve learn her first one, The Ebook You Want Your Mother and father Had Learn.
Helen Tupper: Sure, and to this point, chapter one in to that one, she’s type of sharing helpful fashions that she makes use of in her work to assist folks, psychology fashions, in an effort to use them to extend your personal self-awareness, I fairly like that. After which I am additionally studying The Mind Fog Repair by Dr Mike Dow, as a result of the subtitle, I used to be like, “Sure, please”, Reclaim Your Focus Reminiscence and Pleasure in Simply 3 Weeks.
Sarah Ellis: I imply…!
Helen Tupper: I imply, that is promise. I get focus, reminiscence and pleasure in three weeks, Sarah, a chapter a day.
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, discuss to me in three weeks.
Helen Tupper: Okay, I am going to let you understand. Properly, I will be too comfortable, I will be stuffed with pleasure.
Sarah Ellis: You may cease speaking to me since you’ll be too comfortable. You may be like, “I do not need to discuss to her any extra”.
Helen Tupper: “Do not deliver me down together with your drawings, your cynical insights, or no matter it’s!”
Sarah Ellis: It begins fairly effectively till we do the three-week and you are like, “Hmm, actually!” Properly, we’ll discover out, will not we?!
Helen Tupper: We’ll report again, all people! So, three questions then to get you began, and these every comply with one another in a little bit of a type of query waterfall. Primary, “What’s the issue I am making an attempt to resolve?” One thing for instance for me is, I need to turn out to be a greater visible communicator. We ship numerous workshops, we draw all of them, or we’re supposed to attract them. Sarah attracts, I simply have a tendency to jot down phrases and fake it is drawing.
And so, I need to draw as a result of it signifies that I can talk extra constantly and clearly in our periods. So, I do know it is necessary, that is the issue I am making an attempt to resolve, however I at all times revert to phrases. So, one to repair. “What do I already know?” is the query quantity two. So for me, in my instance, I already know the ability officers. I’ve seen lots of analysis, so I’ve lots of proof that it is price me placing the hassle into ranging from scratch with it. I already know some folks which can be excellent at it that I can study from. And I truly already know there are some good sources, like there are some good type of drawing, and I’ve truly acquired some books. I imply, I’ve tried this earlier than, I simply have not dedicated to it, however this time could be completely different. So, what do you already know? The aim of that one is to only type of accumulate all of the type of reference factors and sources that you have which may provide help to type of speedily begin from scratch. Then the third query is, “What may I do first?” So, the concept right here is we’re not making an attempt to resolve it abruptly, we’re simply making an attempt to make one small transfer ahead. So for me, for instance, what may I do first? I may take one in all our most delivered periods and possibly sit down with a kind of folks that I do know are good at this and ask them how they’d draw it otherwise. That will most likely be a really helpful factor for me to begin that course of with.
Sarah Ellis: So, I believe simply utilizing questions, whether or not it is these questions or questions that you just write your self, you might need different concepts of questions that may very well be helpful, I believe simply with the ability to reply some questions truly offers you momentum, it offers you momentum to maneuver ahead. After which you’ll be able to transfer on to our first concept for motion, which is borrowing from what’s referred to as an MVP strategy, Minimal Viable Product, which I am positive numerous you have got both performed earlier than or acquired expertise of, but it surely’s actually helpful for 2 causes: they provide you tempo; and so they mitigate danger on the similar time. So, they virtually really feel like contradictory issues while you deliver these issues collectively, like you are going to transfer ahead quick and you are going to just remember to do not do issues which can be too dangerous, as a result of truly while you go quick, it may possibly really feel fairly dangerous. So, the way in which to do an MVP while you’re ranging from scratch is, one, create one thing that’s ok. I at all times suppose in case you’re somebody like me, this could probably turn out to be a stumbling block.
So, though I am any individual who likes a clean piece of paper, I do not love issues which can be ok. Helen does, Helen’s actually good at prototyping. So, it’s important to be actually cautious that you do not right here create a copout of going, “Oh, effectively my good-enough bar is so excessive that it isn’t an MVP in any respect”, it is truly like a most viable product since you simply maintain engaged on it and dealing on it and dealing on it. So, if you’re like me, simply be careful for that. Determine when it’s important to let it go to let it develop, is usually what we might say there. So, simply be a bit cautious on that one in case you’ve acquired that tendency to carry on to issues too tightly. As soon as you’ve got acquired one thing that is ok, the aim of doing that’s to then get suggestions from the folks that matter.
So, that may very well be clients, that may very well be purchasers, that may very well be colleagues. So, it must be ok that whoever these individuals are can perceive it and may give you helpful suggestions. And right here, we might at all times suggest asking for suggestions and framing that suggestions with questions which can be going to provide the insights that you just want. So for instance, if I used to be going to provide you with an concept for a brand new podcast format, I would like to provide Helen sufficient about that format after which I most likely need to give her some questions which can be truly then going to assist me to determine how helpful is that format going to be, what does she suppose may very well be higher, is {that a} podcast that she want to hearken to. So, actually suppose by means of what these questions are.
Do not simply give somebody one thing and simply go, “Can I’ve some suggestions, please?” since you will not get the standard and response. Then the actually necessary bit is, so what now? So, what are you going to do with that suggestions? Do you swerve, so are you going to vary course? So, perhaps you are still heading for a similar consequence, however you are going to get there differently. Are you going to hurry up? You are like, “Wow, there’s one thing right here that is nice that is gone rather well, so let’s go for it”. Are you going to decelerate? Has that suggestions given you extra questions? Do you simply have to press pause momentarily, or are you going to cease as a result of one thing did not work, it simply would not really feel such as you’re getting the response that you just’d hoped for? And none of these are proper or flawed. It isn’t about going, “Properly, if I swerve or I cease, then I’ve failed. And if I velocity up, that is the one win right here”. I believe the win goes by means of the MVP strategy, as a result of truly what you’ve got then performed is you’ve got began from scratch, you’ve got made actually good progress and you then’ve acquired one thing to work with. Then I believe my solely different bit of recommendation while you’re doing that is whether or not you label it as an MVP, whether or not you label it as an experiment, whether or not you simply say to folks, “I am simply getting this to a ok level so I can get some suggestions”; be sure you inform folks what you are doing, as a result of if folks suppose it is a completed product, you then most likely will get a distinct response to if folks know, “Oh, that is very a lot work in progress”, which might be how I’d describe it.
Helen Tupper: And I believe that final course of, the type of swerve, velocity up, decelerate, or cease, is basically necessary, as a result of if you’re an individual like Sarah, and to some extent me to be trustworthy, that’s drawn to new issues, like there’s lots of power within the new, and also you take pleasure in ranging from scratch, then the hazard is you begin heaps and plenty of issues from scratch and also you get suggestions and also you do all these first items, however the issue is that they’re all type of there in parallel and it will get a bit distracting and you do not know what you are doing with it, it is complicated for different folks and you are not equally dedicated to issues. I do not suppose that is nice simply to repeatedly begin numerous issues from scratch. What it’s worthwhile to do is that final course of, the place you are type of in charge of what you are creating and other people can see the standing of these various things. After which I believe that offers folks confidence that you just’re managing all of that newness. In any other case, I believe there’s this danger that individuals suppose perhaps you simply randomly created issues that additionally create confusion on the similar time for folks.
Sarah Ellis: I believe this can be a actually good instance of the place you’ll be able to borrow brilliance from a distinct world. MVPs I believe most likely usually come from tech world and the place individuals are constructing merchandise, and I used to be researching this earlier than right this moment and there are such a lot of helpful sources on the market the place you’ll be able to examine MVPs, actually good diagrams, actually good summaries and it isn’t a tough type of translation to then go, “Properly, how would I then apply this to my world to begin from scratch?” And every thing I used to be studying I used to be like, “Oh, yeah, that is helpful. I can see how that might assist me, at the same time as any individual who already enjoys doing this”. So, price spending a little bit of time on that if that feels helpful for you.
Helen Tupper: So, concept for motion quantity two is scratch stacking which is one thing I believe we type of borrowed and constructed on from James Clear who has this idea of behavior stacking. So, in case you’re making an attempt to construct a brand new behavior, then truly connect it onto one thing that you just already do. So for instance, if I am making an attempt to hearken to extra podcasts and what’s one thing I do each day? Brush my tooth, prepare, put my make-up on. If I connect the brand new behavior I am making an attempt to create, hearken to podcasts, onto one thing I already do, you then’re not looking for additional time in your day to do it. So, we have taken that idea and thought, “Properly, how may that apply to beginning one thing from scratch?” as a result of this does not at all times imply it’s important to do one thing dramatically completely different. You do not have to fully redo your working week or fully change the way you’re operating a gathering or approaching a challenge, for instance.
What you are able to do is take one thing that you just already do frequently and type of add the brand new onto it. So for instance, it could be that you just at all times run your workforce assembly and it occurs each week on a Monday. You would possibly say, “Why do not we strive a standup assembly on a Wednesday?” since you’ve seen some new method of operating conferences, which is meant to enhance the effectiveness of them. Or perhaps you create lots of shows and slightly than by no means doing a presentation once more, you would possibly suppose, “Properly, what I’ll do is take the truth that I at all times do the presentation for the challenge assembly, and I’ll use a brand-new little bit of tech to enhance how I do it and begin from scratch with that little bit of tech”.
So, typically taking what I already do and including one thing new to it’s a good approach to get a bit extra comfy with this type of ranging from scratch strategy. Some concepts, I’ve tried to consider, “Properly, what do numerous folks do lots of?” shows being one in all them, I discovered a brand new instrument that I have never tried out but referred to as Typeset, which is meant to make stunning shows in a short time. So, that is an instance of doing a little bit of tech stacking, one thing that you just do, however including a brand new little bit of tech to it. Imaginative and prescient boards, which you would possibly need to do, I’ve just lately performed a LinkedIn submit on easy methods to create your imaginative and prescient board. However imaginative and prescient boards, plus the ranging from scratch factor is including an accountability accomplice. That’s one thing that I’m doing with a good friend referred to as Abby. We’ll be doing a little bit of accountability over WhatsApp. So, that is including folks into it, ranging from scratch with bringing any individual else into what you are engaged on or the way in which you are working. And in case you do lots of workshops, a brand new instrument that you would add in to the way in which that you just do workshops is one referred to as Loopy Eights, which Sarah and I’ve spoken about earlier than. It is type of an innovation course of actually, to shortly generate new concepts with out lots of critique coming from different folks that may kill them. So, that is an instance of including a brand new course of into the way in which you are working. They don’t seem to be the one ones that you are able to do, however they’re just a few concepts to get you began with ranging from scratch, if that is smart.
Sarah Ellis: So, concept for motion three, we’re calling sensible copying. And now we have had fairly a protracted debate concerning the phrase “copy” and “copying”, which I believe I really feel extra comfy with truly.
Helen Tupper: That is so bizarre.
Sarah Ellis: I do know!
Helen Tupper: Sarah’s usually super-sensitive about phrases and issues and I am like, “Oh no, I do not like the concept of copy”. It is like, “I am fairly comfy with it”.
Sarah Ellis: I believe it is as a result of I’ve learn fairly a number of books on concept era and creating new issues from scratch, and one of many factors that you just see actually constantly is everybody type of copies what’s gone earlier than however you are placing issues collectively in a brand new method.
Helen Tupper: Properly, that is why it is sensible copying.
Sarah Ellis: There you go.
Helen Tupper: However I really feel like copying in its personal proper goes in opposition to my basic perception that you must run your personal race.
Sarah Ellis: Yeah.
Helen Tupper: I really feel like there is a values deep battle for me with the concept of copying.
Sarah Ellis: Properly additionally, I believe in case you’re simply copying, the chances are you are not going to do job, as a result of somebody’s already performed that factor so that you’re dropping your uniqueness and what makes you distinctive. So, we’re not saying simply copy in a type of — we talked about truly we actually don’t need it to be like a reduce and paste. You are not simply going, “Properly, I take a look at Helen and I simply reduce and paste what Helen does”, as a result of for a great deal of causes, very clearly that is by no means going to work rather well for you. What we’re suggesting right here is, if you end up ranging from one thing from scratch, and it may possibly really feel actually onerous and fairly overwhelming at that time, begin by what another person does rather well in that space.
Then suppose, “How may that be helpful for me?” So at this level, virtually you began off and you’re going, “Properly, if I used to be simply going to repeat them, what’s it that they do effectively?” You are making an attempt to virtually select what’s it that makes them so good at what they do. Then you definately begin to go, “Really, how can I neatly use this in a method that feels related for me, for my world, for the work that I am doing, so how may this be helpful for me?” After which lastly, “What would I do otherwise consequently?” At that time, you’ve got type of tailored and you’ve got utilized. So, we have been then testing this out to ensure this works and that we’re not simply copying folks. So, if we have been desirous about our subsequent guide that we’ll begin writing, so we’re beginning that from scratch, and we have been like, “Proper, who’s the guru of enterprise books, individual we actually admire?” So, Adam Grant clearly sprung to thoughts for us; admire him and his work and the books that he writes. So we have been like, “What’s one factor, for instance, he does effectively?” Helen Tupper: He does a couple of factor effectively, so we simply picked one!
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, he does numerous issues. We have been like, “I do not need to make it too prolonged”! One factor he does rather well is collects knowledge from fairly easy surveys in order that his work lives past a guide. And we at all times discuss this concept of, we predict all of our work ought to transcend books as a result of books are usually not for everybody, and we predict he does a very good job utilizing these surveys to deliver insights to life. So we’re like, “Nice, we have seen how he is performed that”. However once more, we would not do it in precisely the identical method but it surely’s an fascinating perception to begin with.
How may that be helpful for us? Properly, that offers you some knowledge factors to speak to, whether or not that could be media about, or perhaps a few of our purchasers about, when individuals are speaking about influence or, “Are you able to give us some stats and information?” So, for individuals who like these, it offers you these issues to have the ability to share. I believe it additionally signifies that your work feels actually related past only a guide popping out. So, it offers you extra causes to maintain speaking concerning the work that you just’re doing. Additionally, you’ll be able to take a look at your concepts to ensure they’re related, and you are able to do it fairly merely.
So, we talked about, I believe that phrase “easy surveys” is necessary. You do not should be a knowledge scientist to have the ability to design these. So, we have been like, “Okay, we will have a go at this”. Then, “What would we do otherwise consequently?” Properly, one of many issues that we’d do is, we do not have to attend for a guide to begin doing this. So, we may begin doing actually easy profession surveys, truly virtually straightaway if we needed to, to virtually construct up an proof financial institution answering the query, “What issues to folks of their Squiggly Profession in the mean time?” And really then out of the blue you get to, that is much more helpful than something to do with a guide. Really, that informs the workshops we run, how we assist people, the podcast subjects that we cowl. So, even simply going by means of that sensible copying course of, out of the blue ranging from scratch would not really feel daunting, it feels thrilling. And we have gone fairly far-off from the place we began, however we wanted that catalyst of just about copying a little bit of a go-to guru to only get us began.
Helen Tupper: So, simply to recap then on these three concepts for motion: the primary was to make use of the MVP strategy; the second was to do some scratch stacking; and the third was to do some sensible copying. And we’ll summarise all of these concepts for motion within the PodSheet, which if you’re a daily listener you may know you can get that on our web site and that the hyperlink can be within the present notes. If you’re new to the world of Squiggly Careers, welcome, Pleased New Yr to you. However yeah, if you’re new, then there’s something we ship out each week referred to as PodMail. You possibly can join it on our web site on amazingif.com. It comes out on a Tuesday and also you mainly get the PodSheet, the abstract of the episode, and it is all there for you. So, any a kind of locations, you’ll discover the abstract of these three concepts for motion that now we have simply talked about.
Sarah Ellis: However that is all for this week, as at all times thanks a lot for listening, we do actually recognize it and again with you once more quickly. Bye for now.
Helen Tupper: Bye everybody.
